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so lucky said:

It is kind of odd, though, how doctors will continue to push tests and preventative therapies on people who already have both feet in the grave. At some point, you have to say "Leave me alone and let me go!"

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Exactly. My mother is 83 and they keep pushing mammograms(she's never had one in her life, breast CA does not run in the family...nor any kind of CA that wasn't smoking induced)and colonoscopies. What in the world do they think they are trying to prolong here? We had to fight tooth and nail to even get her a surgery she actually needed for quality of life and pain relief, do they honestly think they'll do anything to extend her life if she is diagnosed with a cancer? Nope. So, why do the testing?

I've seen them take people dying of CA...and I mean actively dying...to surgery to "relieve pain with tumor removal" and the person never awakened from the surgery. That's just horrible. And their families didn't get to be there when they died.

I've seen such horrible things when I worked oncology...nightmares. What they do to people in the name of treatment isn't worth mentioning, it's too sickening. Then, to work hospice and see the other end of their so called cures...

so lucky said:

It is kind of odd, though, how doctors will continue to push tests and preventative therapies on people who already have both feet in the grave. At some point, you have to say "Leave me alone and let me go!"

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You have to verbalize those wishes or they must continue to treat.

The disclosure info before my "procedure" said that the medicos reserved the right not to honor any advance directive.

!! That they would resuscitate and their patient would be transferred to the hospital.

The prep was unpleasant but I'm not sure how dangerous it is. It was actually a little reassuring that if they killed me with the anesthesia ... they would drag me back from the pearly gates.

Steve

Always a danger of the vasovagal response while doing anything to the colon....couple that with anesthesia and it can indeed cause a need for resuscitation.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8514071

I've had a few patients die on the commode from the vasovagal response. It happens.

Oy.

And, those people born after Evis died might know the story of his death, nearly 50 years after.

That's how it is for most people learning about health problems. Someone famous dies and their publicist fails to contain the story. When the Jenners and Kardashians go, the post post-Millennials will be guided by the circumstances for centuries.

Steve

digitS' said:

.... When the Jenners and Kardashians go, the post post-Millennials will be guided by the circumstances for centuries.

Steve

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i first read that as "circumcision for the centuries"...

and to put a not so gentle probing point on the end of things, these procedures are not always safe. we know a few people who have died of complications from bowel punctures from being scoped. yes, it does capture some cancers early and likely saves more early deaths than it causes, but there's got to be a better way (and there is as it is coming along). swallow a camera is now functional, but for some people not recommended, but i'll go that way unless they greatly change the current technology.

oh, and btw, we also know a doctor who gave one to himself. to me that would be facinating...