Fruit Cocktail Trees?

[Carol Dee]

What was it that happened to your trees Carol and CatJac?

DH bought it early in our gardening days. We have land that was once a landfill (old landfill, clay cap, rotten soil.) The 1st trees planted did not survive or only limped along slowly. Still grow stunted stuff out back where he has the fruit trees. But he still tries. :/ Like I said, it was as much US as the TREE !

 

[joz]

My grandfather had an apple tree that was mostly red (?), with a branch or two of Golden Delicious grafted on. It seemed to survive for several years, but I don't recall how well it produced. I do remember the big gold apples, but not what the other apples were supposed to be. I was much more fond of the Damson Plum, the grapes*, and the raspberries.

*I've been trying to find out what that grape vine is for the 18 years I've been away from home. It has loose bunches of green-gold spherical ~1/2" grapes. The skin itself is thin, but there's a thicker layer that sticks to the skin, maybe 1/8". When I'd eat them, I'd suck the center grape mass out of the skin. Seedless. I've been hunting for it forever, tho next time I'm back in my hometown (Eugene, OR) I may see if I can get cuttings of it, if it still survives.

 

[897tgigvib]

Himrod? Or maybe, just maybe, that real, the real original old yellow Thompson seedless. Much much sweeter, smaller, and tons better than the modern Thompson seedless. Sweeter than candy? That's the one.

If you find those, take 400 cuttings from it!!!

 

[bobm]

In the 159's my mother planted a semi dwarf apple tre with 4 kinds of apples on it. The tree grew to about 10 ft. tall. the lowest grafted branch turned out to be very small andquite spindly compared to the other 2. We dot off that lowest branch about 30 years later as it never did very well. That tree is still alive and producing. In 1990, I had a plum seelding that happened to grow on our country property. for 4 years it grew but the fruit wasn't very good, so I grafted 3 Santa Rosa cuttings on one side and 3 French prunes on the other. All took off and were very productive. I baught a semi dwarf cherry tree from Costco a couple months ago with 4 different grafts, the lowest grafted is about a 1/3 the size of the other higher grafts, and the intermediate trunk graft over the dwarf root stock has one blossom on it. Also the lowest branch graft, the other 3 have just leaves that are now about 2" long. This tree looks healthy for now at least ! :weight

 

[Chickie'sMomaInNH]

My grandfather had an apple tree that was mostly red (?), with a branch or two of Golden Delicious grafted on. It seemed to survive for several years, but I don't recall how well it produced. I do remember the big gold apples, but not what the other apples were supposed to be. I was much more fond of the Damson Plum, the grapes*, and the raspberries.

*I've been trying to find out what that grape vine is for the 18 years I've been away from home. It has loose bunches of green-gold spherical ~1/2" grapes. The skin itself is thin, but there's a thicker layer that sticks to the skin, maybe 1/8". When I'd eat them, I'd suck the center grape mass out of the skin. Seedless. I've been hunting for it forever, tho next time I'm back in my hometown (Eugene, OR) I may see if I can get cuttings of it, if it still survives.

if these are the Thompson seedless grapes Marshall is thinking they are, i will gladly take a few cuttings to root!

 

[joz]

Himrod? Or maybe, just maybe, that real, the real original old yellow Thompson seedless. Much much sweeter, smaller, and tons better than the modern Thompson seedless. Sweeter than candy? That's the one.

If you find those, take 400 cuttings from it!!!

My OTHER Grandfather did think they were Thompson Seedless, in a conversation we had several years ago. It's possible they traded cuttings, as my Dad's dad had an orchard and such in his yard as well, and made a fair amount of wine in the late 70's (Peach 77 was a particularly sought after vintage in the family). I didn't spend much time there as a child, and was surprised when I realized the extent of the gardens a few years ago.

I, unfortunately, cannot grow proper grapes in South Louisiana. I believe I'm stuck with Muscadines. But my Dad has property in the same area, and would likely help me preserve the vine, as would my Mom in Kansas City.

It's been 18 years since I last saw it, though. I have no idea if the current property owners have retained or maintained it.

 

[joz]

God... it's still there. Depending on what's happened since Google street views made it out into the sticks (August 2011).

And now I'm crying about a darn grape vine. ::sniffle::

 

[so lucky]

Hurray! Let's just hope that is still the vines; that the current owners didn't rip out all those "old small grapes" and plant some newfangled bland thing. You may have to take a trip and sweet talk the new owners.

 

[nelson castro]

Hurray! Let's just hope that is still the vines; that the current owners didn't rip out all those "old small grapes" and plant some newfangled bland thing. You may have to take a trip and sweet talk the new owners.

Keeping my fingers crossed.

 

[897tgigvib]

I would sure hope they are there still!

Would love to compare them much more with Himrod than the modern Thompson Seedless.

I actually don't think they are entirely sterile. If you recall, there is that hint of small undeveloped seed in there, actually more flavor. They may well produce good pollen. Kind of like to know if pollen from these was used for Interlaken and Himrod, mybe even Niagra. That...glow.

Burbank emphatically stated, actually growled, to some that if he ever created any wine grape he would immediately destroy it.

The way that old Frank clearly said this tree, these prickly pears, and such he got from Burbank, but did not say that about these grapes leaves me to wonder, where did they come from?

...and your kinfolk have them too...

To try to think beyond known information, information resolution rapidly diminishes, but this gives more known information.

Burbank did do mail order sales from Santa Rosa.

I actually never thought I'd hear about these grapes again! So glad to, it can't be described. Please do propagate them!

Almost every piece from pruning should be attempted, also, someone should do grafts of them!!!

My friends the Martinellis know how to graft grapes.