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Sounds like multiplying barn cats. LOL You would need to clear a little space for them.
It sure is a pretty tomato, either way.
It sure is a pretty tomato, either way.
The First of Something New!
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digitS'
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Kellogg's Breakfast is considered by many as right at the top of the taste chart.
I grew KB for 2 years and, if you like a nice smooth flavor, those tomatoes are great! That has come thru with this red one and the absence of that flavor is why I'm not interested in the yellow offspring (lots of wild shapes, also).
Earliness. I barely got any ripe tomatoes off of Kellogg's Breakfast in either of those 2 years. I'd really rather not have a beefsteak season that comes just before frost & lasts a week. Better than nothing but still . . . Seems I remember that there were only 2 ripe tomatoes off that 1st year KB plant. I'm willing to pick green tomatoes but the longer you have to wait for them to ripen on the counter, the less flavor their gonna have . . .
So beefsteaks, please begin to ripen in August! We will take September as it comes. With properly chosen beefsteak varieties, I'll get 3 weeks of ripe tomatoes from the garden! Yay! Anymore than that is just a bonus and depends completely on the weather.
It doesn't have to be red, yellow, pink or whatever. Flavorful is flavorful! Ready to eat is ready to eat!
Steve
I grew KB for 2 years and, if you like a nice smooth flavor, those tomatoes are great! That has come thru with this red one and the absence of that flavor is why I'm not interested in the yellow offspring (lots of wild shapes, also).
Earliness. I barely got any ripe tomatoes off of Kellogg's Breakfast in either of those 2 years. I'd really rather not have a beefsteak season that comes just before frost & lasts a week. Better than nothing but still . . . Seems I remember that there were only 2 ripe tomatoes off that 1st year KB plant. I'm willing to pick green tomatoes but the longer you have to wait for them to ripen on the counter, the less flavor their gonna have . . .
So beefsteaks, please begin to ripen in August! We will take September as it comes. With properly chosen beefsteak varieties, I'll get 3 weeks of ripe tomatoes from the garden! Yay! Anymore than that is just a bonus and depends completely on the weather.
It doesn't have to be red, yellow, pink or whatever. Flavorful is flavorful! Ready to eat is ready to eat!
Steve
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You sure do have a mixup to sort through. I still think some more manual crossing is in order.
I'd cross one of them with Lemon Boy or Taxi.
I'd cross another one back to a true Kellogg's Breakfast.
I'd cross one with Stupice too.
I'd also cross one with Azoychka!
This way you'd have a ton of diversity to play with and cross with for years, plus, you would definitely come up with many brand new varieties to stabilize over the years! Add the fact you are in a short grow season, your stabilized varieties would be good for short grow seasons!
ps, I sure hope the new TEG has all these fun little emoticons plus those you are able to get, plus those Cane has!!!
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digitS'
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What if I take a wrong turn and get lost running back & forth like that??!
The 3 I had for crossing this year were all short season varieties: "Oh no! The Bloody . . . (link)" Of course, I never had an actual Bloody Butcher flower at the same time as a Buisson flower but the other cross may have taken!
Bloody Butcher is no slicer - uh, despite the name. The others aren't either altho' Buisson may run up to 5 ounces. It is an odd little tomato. Every plant I've grown has a great variation is fruit size. The Kimberley "behaved" itself this year. I think I had some weird seed the one time I grew it before. The fruit looks like what it is supposed to look like - albeit, small.
Any of these 3 varieties as a parent, would reduce the size of the "Z" tomato plants. If that is how it works. I don't know . . . I'd want to have some better idea what I was doing before I committed many more square feet to these sorts of thing. You know, I didn't commit ANY square feet to my hybridizing foray. Those 3 plants all sat in pots in my strawberry patch - which needs to be restarted anyway. Sure will be fun to see some difference in the seedlings from those Kimberley fruits. Buisson and Kimberley aren't much different in behavior but their fruit shape is quite different. Now . . . which shape would be dominant, that oblate shape or that nipple on blossom end?
Steve
The 3 I had for crossing this year were all short season varieties: "Oh no! The Bloody . . . (link)" Of course, I never had an actual Bloody Butcher flower at the same time as a Buisson flower but the other cross may have taken!
Bloody Butcher is no slicer - uh, despite the name. The others aren't either altho' Buisson may run up to 5 ounces. It is an odd little tomato. Every plant I've grown has a great variation is fruit size. The Kimberley "behaved" itself this year. I think I had some weird seed the one time I grew it before. The fruit looks like what it is supposed to look like - albeit, small.
Any of these 3 varieties as a parent, would reduce the size of the "Z" tomato plants. If that is how it works. I don't know . . . I'd want to have some better idea what I was doing before I committed many more square feet to these sorts of thing. You know, I didn't commit ANY square feet to my hybridizing foray. Those 3 plants all sat in pots in my strawberry patch - which needs to be restarted anyway. Sure will be fun to see some difference in the seedlings from those Kimberley fruits. Buisson and Kimberley aren't much different in behavior but their fruit shape is quite different. Now . . . which shape would be dominant, that oblate shape or that nipple on blossom end?
Steve
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digitS'
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I got a little off-topic with my last post but here I am, back with these!
You sure do have a mixup to sort through. . . !!!
I haven't labeled them digitS' Z's -- digitS' Jays??? Okay, I'm open to another name but first I need to make sure that they are flavorful and true-to-type, at least with regards to color.
Only a couple of the hybrids of the same age can compare to the size of the plants. One of these, has a flower bud
.Steve
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I think digitS is a cool name for a tomato.
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Those are some nice vigorousm potato leafed Tomato plants there.
There is soon to be a Bean called DIGIT'S NORTHERN SOLDIER BEAN.
There is soon to be a Bean called DIGIT'S NORTHERN SOLDIER BEAN.
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Nice babies Steve!
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digitS'
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Thanks, Thistle' and Wishin'.
You know what, Marshall? Good competition for these four are some lemon boy de-hybridized!
I don't really like the idea of naming a tomato for a lemon. Just the thought of it gives me a pain, right here. Nevertheless, as I celebrate a yellow Kellogg's Breakfast going red, I'm really looking forward to a new yellow tomato experience.
Besides the hoping, I 've just gotta change that name! No longer accurate and. I'm calling it "the General" for now. Might have to promote it to a higher rank. Still, I don't see a tomato as marching to any particular cadence, or setting it either. I'd better wait until I'm more familiar with its inherited qualities.
A youthful cluster tomato from a soopermarket chain can't compete. I messed up the first sowing. Tried again and had one vigorous seedling show up about 10 days before, just one more seedling did! I didn't have many seeds in the soil but I'm a little suspicious of both! The weak sister graduated to a larger container but the first one now looks like a tropical tree!
Steve
Oh, for now I'm calling those "general cluster."
You know what, Marshall? Good competition for these four are some lemon boy de-hybridized!
I don't really like the idea of naming a tomato for a lemon. Just the thought of it gives me a pain, right here. Nevertheless, as I celebrate a yellow Kellogg's Breakfast going red, I'm really looking forward to a new yellow tomato experience.
Besides the hoping, I 've just gotta change that name! No longer accurate and. I'm calling it "the General" for now. Might have to promote it to a higher rank. Still, I don't see a tomato as marching to any particular cadence, or setting it either. I'd better wait until I'm more familiar with its inherited qualities.
A youthful cluster tomato from a soopermarket chain can't compete. I messed up the first sowing. Tried again and had one vigorous seedling show up about 10 days before, just one more seedling did! I didn't have many seeds in the soil but I'm a little suspicious of both! The weak sister graduated to a larger container but the first one now looks like a tropical tree!
Steve
Oh, for now I'm calling those "general cluster."
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digitS'
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You can see that the one from @marshallsmyth that I'm calling "the General" is every bit as tall as the Goliath Hybrids that he is standing in front of and taller than the Big Beefs. By the way, that sticker that says "Lemon Boy" has "General" written on the other side of it. That one looks the same as the others but isn't quite as tall.
I've decided that the "General Cluster" can't be that . . . no, I'm leaning towards the "Trooper Smyth."
Steve
