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[heirloomgal]

@heirloomgal , I have never been involved in anything that received media attention when I haven't felt that the coverage was entirely accurate and, in many cases, it was missing important information.

Let's look back at the preceding 3 pages where I have posted links. Four were media, with 3 local television stations and one a daily newspaper published in Great Britain.

Four links included 2 professional journals. Peer reviewed and all that - with one specific to epidemics. One is a nonprofit organization focused on major health care issues.

A story on CNN, I avoided posting even though it quoted the CEO of the largest hospital in this area and was linked by that hospital in its news releases. So, the hospital itself gave credibility to the story. It's just that so many people personally give CNN little credibility. BTW, CNN included information on the death of a local RN from Covid-19 after she had refused to be vaccinated.

Information that is not a personal experience must come from somewhere. Tapping the internet provides a broad spectrum of information. Some of it will be false and fabricated out of thin air. Some of it will be deliberately deceptive - for financial gain or even for international political competition.

We have options. Some are quite straightforward - whether to attend a meeting, or not. Whether to run a gauntlet of regulations, or not.

Oliver Wendell Holmes said something about someone's rights end where another person's nose begins. I'm not sure why that quote hasn't received more attention given the transmission nature of this epidemic virus.

Steve

I appreciate very much your generosity of spirit to look at where our points of view overlap. Yes, not all information can be had from personal experience. One of the great things the internet has provided is the opportunity for many points of view to be shared, and with the addition of cellphones w/cameras, regular citizens can capture quite a lot to share with the rest of the world. I think it's great, and understand that what constitutes credibility is different for everyone.

And I like that quote too. We probably look it a bit differently, in the sense that I'm content when someone else's rights' end at my nose, and not inside my arm.

 

[heirloomgal]

Thank you for posting this. Truth is alive.

 

[heirloomgal]

I’m scared for my granddaughters. It’s bad enough this stuff hits adults, worse beyond words that it is hitting our children.

My son contracted Scarlet Fever at 5 years old. I wouldn't like to experience anything like that again. Scary.

 

[Ridgerunner]

And I like that quote too. We probably look it a bit differently, in the sense that I'm content when someone else's rights' end at my nose, and not inside my arm.

The way I look at this is that the individual's rights end when they interfere with the rights of others and the community at large. That's not an easy boundary to define. How we define that boundary determines what kind of civilization we have. Does the individual have the right to poison the community food supply? Several years ago someone actually argued that taking away his right to poison the food supply was equivalent to taking away all his liberty. I'm not sure he quite understands Ben Franklin's quote, at last not the way I do.

What constitutes poisoning the community food supply, you can get a lot of different opinions on that part. Can the community regulate how I dump my sewage into the community water supply. How much detail can the community go into as to how I have to treat it? How often does it need to be tested, if at all? And a basic question for individuals, do they consider dumping raw sewage in the public water supply to be a bad thing? If you consider dumping raw sewage in the water supply to be a bad thing how much are you willing to pay in taxes to get it treated. Or is dumping it below your water intake good enough.

You may think I'm using a gross example to make the point. With some of the comments I've heard about counties regulating septic systems I consider this a real world example. When you get into the details these boundaries aren't always easy. And how they are presented can make a huge difference.

The specific case in point, Covid. How much right does the community have to limit or reduce the spread of something that is killing community members, hospitalizing people to the point it stresses the public health system, and sometimes leaves people permanently disabled? Some people seem to feel that Covid is not doing any of these things or that these methods aren't effective. Forcing people to wear a rag over their face or getting a vaccination does interfere with individual rights. For many different reasons this is a very controversial subject.

 

[flowerbug]

Legal Authorities for Isolation and Quarantine | Quarantine | CDC

Isolation and quarantine help protect the public by preventing exposure to people who have or may have a contagious disease. Page content includes the regulatory authority and definitions of isolation and quarantine.

www.cdc.gov

 

[Gardening with Rabbits]

My son contracted Scarlet Fever at 5 years old. I wouldn't like to experience anything like that again. Scary.

My mother's dad died in 1918 of they say TB, i just wonder if Spanish Flu was part of it. Her sister had smallpox at 3 months and lived. My mother was exposed to all that and never got it. Her grandmother who raised her and adopted her died when my mother was 15 of TB from caring for her son, my grandfather. My mother got mumps when my brother did when I was about 9 and I did not get it from them living in the same house. My mother lived until 50 before catching mumps. My brother and I got the 3 day measles when we were young and my parents did not catch it so they had it when younger. My brother got chickenpox from somebody at work when he was about 30 and in the same house as my mother and she did not get it, so she had it when she was younger. My kids and I got chickenpox when I was 60 and got it from DH when he got shingles caught from live virus given to others at the cancer center. I was told, well not told, my paperwork was THROWN at me from a jackass doctor who said GET VACCINATED, YOU ARE NOT RUBELLA IMMUNE. Well SO WHAT. People die of a lot of things. I flew in an airplane once to Florida. Decided it was about the most stupid thing I ever did and was looking for bus tickets or buy a used car home. Even thought of buying land in Florida. I finally got on that plane home, but I never will fly again. My choice to not die that way. People in a plane might fall on me walking down the street or in my car, or fall on me out in the garden or my house, and I cannot stop air traffic over my house. They say it is safe, but there is a chance it could fall on some town. People need to calm down before we live like scared slaves in fear of everything and can't cross the street without papers.

 

[Gardening with Rabbits]

The way I look at this is that the individual's rights end when they interfere with the rights of others and the community at large. That's not an easy boundary to define. How we define that boundary determines what kind of civilization we have. Does the individual have the right to poison the community food supply? Several years ago someone actually argued that taking away his right to poison the food supply was equivalent to taking away all his liberty. I'm not sure he quite understands Ben Franklin's quote, at last not the way I do.

What constitutes poisoning the community food supply, you can get a lot of different opinions on that part. Can the community regulate how I dump my sewage into the community water supply. How much detail can the community go into as to how I have to treat it? How often does it need to be tested, if at all? And a basic question for individuals, do they consider dumping raw sewage in the public water supply to be a bad thing? If you consider dumping raw sewage in the water supply to be a bad thing how much are you willing to pay in taxes to get it treated. Or is dumping it below your water intake good enough.

You may think I'm using a gross example to make the point. With some of the comments I've heard about counties regulating septic systems I consider this a real world example. When you get into the details these boundaries aren't always easy. And how they are presented can make a huge difference.

The specific case in point, Covid. How much right does the community have to limit or reduce the spread of something that is killing community members, hospitalizing people to the point it stresses the public health system, and sometimes leaves people permanently disabled? Some people seem to feel that Covid is not doing any of these things or that these methods aren't effective. Forcing people to wear a rag over their face or getting a vaccination does interfere with individual rights. For many different reasons this is a very controversial subject.

People can just stay home EVERYBODY. Too fearful to work, too fearful to think, going to take their own rights away with the rights of others. If so dangerous then just SHUT THE WHOLE WORLD DOWN AND SIT DOWN AND DO NOTHING. BUT it is not going to go away and most likely because people getting vaccinated have mild cases and spread it to others INCLUDING vaccinated people. State after state that has almost fully vaccinated and going to the hospital AGAIN and getting it AGAIN and now have to have a BOOSTER FOREVER.

 

[flowerbug]

People need to calm down before we live like scared slaves in fear of everything and can't cross the street without papers.

well, um, you're the one posting IN CAPITAL LETTERS (which reads to me like shouting)...

 

[Gardening with Rabbits]

Legal Authorities for Isolation and Quarantine | Quarantine | CDC

Isolation and quarantine help protect the public by preventing exposure to people who have or may have a contagious disease. Page content includes the regulatory authority and definitions of isolation and quarantine.

www.cdc.gov

Yeah, isolate the SICK. NOT THE UNVACCINATED. It is called stay home when you are sick or go to the hospital, not GO TO JAIL. Nurses not vaccinated, oh fire them. Now bring in the national guard, GET THIS - Reserve and National Guard units are expected to be fully vaccinated by June 30, 2022. SO WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD THEY FIRE NURSES BECAUSE OF NO VACCINE AND BRING IN THE GUARDS WHO ARE NOT VACCINATED????? Because the whole world HAS GONE NUTS.

 

[Gardening with Rabbits]

well, um, you're the one posting IN CAPITAL LETTERS (which reads to me like shouting)...

YEAH, I AM.